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#1 Star Core Seven

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Posted 09 January 2016 - 12:46 AM

If you read Erik's file that you unlock when you beat the mission were his AC is destroyed, he apparently is an extremely lucky survivor, surviving even the destruction of his AC. Kind of hard to believe that fool can survive so much on luck alone. Could he possesses some secret prototype or ancient technology that gives him some kind of internal force field or armor? Maybe Maggy also had such thing in her AC, which could explain why, according to her file, her body was not found after the Blue Magnolia was destroyed.
Also, is it possible to save Erik's AC from being destroyed in mission 06? I'm sure saving him would require a huge effort, but I'm just wondering if it is possible.
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Posted 09 January 2016 - 02:24 AM

Nope. No matter how well you do or how many UNACs you destroy, his "death" cutscene will always play. As far as I've tried it isn't possible to kill them all before they gang up on him.


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Posted 09 January 2016 - 11:00 AM

I legion pulsed them before he gets there but it was 1) incredibly hard to do and 2) still resulted in his death after a short amount of time passed.


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Posted 09 January 2016 - 02:38 PM

I shot Erik to death with a sniper cannon tank


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Posted 10 January 2016 - 12:50 AM

he dies automatically after you kill 2 or 3 it's some sort of trigger.



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Posted 12 January 2016 - 12:35 PM

Yeah, I always manage to SC 3 UNACs long before he even reaches them, and he just dies right away after the 3rd UNAC goes down.

 

And no, there is no such thing as internal force fields or whatever that can offer the pilot extra protection. A person inside of an exploding AC has the same survival rate of a person inside of an exploding car or plane. The only way they can survive that is if the interior of the vehicle's cockpit remains relatively intact. Maggy actually got extremely lucky considering she only lost her left arm when fighting J.


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Posted 12 January 2016 - 02:37 PM

...And no, there is no such thing as internal force fields or whatever that can offer the pilot extra protection. A person inside of an exploding AC has the same survival rate of a person inside of an exploding car or plane. The only way they can survive that is if the interior of the vehicle's cockpit remains relatively intact. Maggy actually got extremely lucky considering she only lost her left arm when fighting J.

I don't mean to seem disrespectful, but where is the evidence for this? You seem to be refuting my speculation by writing your own speculation as fact.

By the way, when I was talking about the Blue Magnolia being destroyed, I meant when the player does it on mission 9. I now see I should've specified that, but I guess when Maggy survives J that is also suspicious.
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Posted 12 January 2016 - 06:06 PM

In the case of Maggy, the popular belief is that she was "fused" to her AC like the Zodiac, since we know for certain that the technology exists for them to do that kind of thing. This theory is further reinforced when it was said that she sustained injuries that prevented her from piloting an AC.

 

Also, the cockpit of an AC is pretty cramped. So it isn't so far out of the question that survival would be pretty high if the cockpit isn't crushed in on itself.



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Posted 14 January 2016 - 08:35 AM

I don't mean to seem disrespectful, but where is the evidence for this? You seem to be refuting my speculation by writing your own speculation as fact.

By the way, when I was talking about the Blue Magnolia being destroyed, I meant when the player does it on mission 9. I now see I should've specified that, but I guess when Maggy survives J that is also suspicious.

 

If you read all of the merc files and design sketches for the ACs from ACV, you cannot find any mention of any sort of pilot safety system, not see any concept art for ejection systems (Yes, the concept art has AC cockpits). Also, There hasn't been a single case in any AC game that I can remember where a pilot has survived the total destruction of their AC. Those that do survive do so because their AC wasn't completely destroyed.

 

An about Maggy loosing her arm (If you were including that in my speculation), it says so in her file. I try to keep all of my lore talk and speculation as close as possible to what is said or shown in the games. A special shield or AC pilot protection system would not make sense because it has never been mentioned or shown in any part of the games.

 

As for Maggy's body not being found in the wreckage of her AC, it does lend credibility to the theory that she has been merged with her AC. If she was unable to pilot because of her injuries against J, there is no way she could do it by simply being placed into a cockpit. If she was merged, it makes sense that her body wasn't found because the AC basically is her body at that point.  


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Posted 14 January 2016 - 01:35 PM

If you read all of the merc files and design sketches for the ACs from ACV, you cannot find any mention of any sort of pilot safety system, not see any concept art for ejection systems (Yes, the concept art has AC cockpits). Also, There hasn't been a single case in any AC game that I can remember where a pilot has survived the total destruction of their AC. Those that do survive do so because their AC wasn't completely destroyed.
 
An about Maggy loosing her arm (If you were including that in my speculation), it says so in her file. I try to keep all of my lore talk and speculation as close as possible to what is said or shown in the games. A special shield or AC pilot protection system would not make sense because it has never been mentioned or shown in any part of the games.
 
As for Maggy's body not being found in the wreckage of her AC, it does lend credibility to the theory that she has been merged with her AC. If she was unable to pilot because of her injuries against J, there is no way she could do it by simply being placed into a cockpit. If she was merged, it makes sense that her body wasn't found because the AC basically is her body at that point.

Hmm... well if Maggy did merge with her AC then there wouldn't be a cockpit in the first place (,right?) which seems like something the file would mention.
Here's a third hypothesis, but it makes for a disappointing story: Maggy gets a prosthetic arm and fights the player in mission 08 in her AC. She becomes afraid to fight the player in mission 09, so she remote controls Blue Magnolia from a mile away. Assuming both prosthetic arms and remote controlled robots can exist in VD is certainly not much of a stretch of imagination, since we pretty much have them in real life. One potential problem with this idea is that the Foundation seems like it could be able to pick up the radio signals from the remote control source, but the Foundation Man seems so certain that she brought his total to 52.
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Posted 14 January 2016 - 10:25 PM

... I don't remember any details specifically, so, this might be easily denied by someone with the willingness to do so.

 

So, Maggie wasn't found in the wreck. Was the wreck searched immediately after the destruction of her AC? If not, then who is to say she didn't manage to get out and go her own way for a while?

 

Now, to put it simple. No matter how lame Maggie sounds and seems in the english dub (I mean seriously, she sounds like an angry middle-aged woman with a constant migraine and a stick up a certain place.), I'd like to imagine she's a badass. She's been there during all the missions inside a Storker or something, chillin', and eventually when you get to fight her, she's simply piloting her AC with just one hand. When her AC explodes in the end, she dies with it, having no regrets.

 

... Oh, right. Erik. Man, he's just been a lucky bloke, cut him some slack, ok?


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Posted 15 January 2016 - 04:06 PM

nah bruh maggie is tier. Her story loops back to AC5s Signs organization. More or less Ravens Nest/Cyberwhateverthefuck etc. from all the old games. She been modified to fight bots gud but presumably lasted long enough to become an OP. Speaking of OP, that was i meant in case it wasn't obvious, she's supposed to be the product of some sort of op+ type deal for sure but one of the few that survived AC5 era signs i guess.....

 

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Posted 15 January 2016 - 06:43 PM

I love how Erik is barely getting any attention in the thread that's dedicated to him.

 

Really speaks a lot about his status as our punching bag.



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Posted 16 January 2016 - 08:44 AM

she remote controls Blue Magnolia from a mile away.

This wouldn't match up with her dialogue, however. No one who is remote controlling their AC would start saying things like "Fatman. You've always been kind... I'm glad it ended this way." As if they were about to die if they were remote controlling their ACs. An yes, although it is reasonably to assume that prosthetics do exist in the ACVD universe, I'm sure that her injuries were a bit more severe than the simple loss of her arm. Otherwise, she would be able to pilot an AC normally by simply acquiring a new arm.

 

One could argue that Maggy's dialogue is simply acting if one wants to lend more credibility to your remote control theory, but you'd have to be a pretty good actor to pull that sort of thing off. Plus, Chief (or the foundation) basically confirms that Maggy is dead by saying that she will bring his total of eliminated Dark Raven candidates up to 52. If she was remote controlling the AC, he would know, and Chief wouldn't allow a Dark Raven candidate to run free. He would have killed anyways her if she defeated you. That is his plan after all: Eliminate all potential Dark Ravens.

 

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Posted 16 January 2016 - 07:04 PM

...Plus, Chief (or the foundation) basically confirms that Maggy is dead by saying that she will bring his total of eliminated Dark Raven candidates up to 52. If she was remote controlling the AC, he would know, and Chief wouldn't allow a Dark Raven candidate to run free...

 Yeah, I kind of went over that in the second-to-last sentence in my last post.

Anyway, I have another idea. Maybe scavengers just took the body for the mechanical arm, and whatever other "upgrades" Maggy might have had before an official investigation could be sent. This explanation seems most likely, because it doesn't assume anything potentially problematic.

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That would be interesting, but Armored Core games might not provide enough lore to work with for many topics.
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Posted 16 January 2016 - 08:54 PM

That would be interesting, but Armored Core games might not provide enough lore to work with for many topics.

lol, I was only kidding there.


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