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#1 FromCheng

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Posted 27 October 2013 - 03:20 PM

List of builds that I use or am testing. Feel free to take any for a spin or give input. This garage consists of Tolimas (ULG-05/A, Tolima, ULG-06, Tolima Retrofit)

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Primaries
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Experimental
Builds that are designed around a specific strength or to test certain concepts. 



Defunct / Prototypes 
Builds that have been created that either did not perform well or were merely unique experiments. For the most part, they are meant only for practice or fun FB purposes.

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Retired Designs
Consists of designs that used to be Primaries and/or are functional/optimal but I rarely use anymore.

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#2 FromCheng

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 03:38 PM

Updated with a few more builds, added tunes, and description.

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Posted 14 December 2013 - 06:14 PM

the lack of tanks disappoints me.

In any case, the High defense shields can soak up more damage than the High AP versions. The only advantage the High AP versions have is they have a better impact resistance stat.
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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:17 AM

+10, Tolima = thug life.

Was gonna respond to Disso's post, but he's edited it so nvm


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Posted 16 December 2013 - 07:44 AM

Needs Prolima.

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Posted 16 December 2013 - 10:23 AM

Needs Brolima.

Fixed it.

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Posted 01 January 2014 - 10:28 PM

Prolima and Brolima are too cool for this thread. Or too hipster. I'm not sure.

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 10:01 PM

Forgive me but why are the Tolima Legs your favorite choice in legs?

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 11:38 PM

Forgive me but why are the Tolima Legs your favorite choice in legs?


You can't Cheese the legs, only the loadout.

If you think you can Cheese a solid Tolima build, you're just going to get outplayed.

[Cheese (ACV-VD) : Resorting to tactics which can be labeled as "underhanded" or "cheesy", hence the name; Cheese. Cheese can be identified as attacking, for example, a Middleweight Biped with Dual Amped PMGs or a PMG, Oxeye, and Mathura missiles in unison. Similarly, Cheese can be described as using Dual Sniper Rifles against a tank and exploiting infinitely superior range and speed. ACs with defense levels susceptible to cheese tactics tend to be the victims of cheese most oftentimes after defeating the person who wishes to cheese. IE, midweight player A fights midweight player B and loses. Midweight player A then equips a "Hard-Counter*" and proceeds to kill midweight player B in a matter of seconds. Because this tactic is essentially foolproof and similarly expedites the process of killing the opponent by a humongous amount, it is viewed as detrimental to the spirit of the game. This is mostly because the player being cheesed has an incredibly small margin of success in overcoming a cheese attempt. At the same time, cheese removes the competitive nature of the game as even skilled players can be overcome by a marginal amount of effort expended by the cheeser. Cheese is especially frowned upon by higher-tier players and competitive gamers especially.]

*Hard-Counter (ACV-VD) : ABSTRACT : Weapon or AC design (or combination thereof) which is conceived specifically to defeat another specific configuration.

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 11:42 PM

A Cheese eh?

So this is why I've repeatedly almost traded in ACVD despite only having it for a few weeks, such as Dual Amped PMGS that somehow move really well, or "200", rifle range-ish, Piledrivers "Kicking" you from the match.

Seriously people, its not "cool", its not "funny", it doesn't involve skill, its downright tryhard-ism and contributes to INT's deadness.

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Posted 02 January 2014 - 11:52 PM

A Cheese eh?


This is why we run Tolima.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:10 AM

This didn't answer my question.

All I read was a long description of how killing people in seconds is considered "Cheesy."

I was just asking about the legs. What do these legs hold over others?

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:15 AM

I was just asking about the legs. What do these legs hold over others?


You can't cheese them. That is why they get use.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:17 AM

In other words they perform better than the other legs in every way or just by defense?

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 12:22 AM

In other words they perform better than the other legs in every way or just by defense?


What do you mean by other legs? Tolima is pretty niche compared to the whole selection, but if you mean as opposed to the other tolima-esque legs, the true Tolima offer the most desirable defense spread in combination with a good balance of mobility and turning. Honestly if some of the other legs just had a bit more KE then I might be saying House ULG-06 instead.

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 05:36 PM

The Tolima branch of legs offer more mobility, similar to a medium, but still have armor values of Heavys (especially the TE Armor). Thats simply it as far as I can tell. The Drawback is they have low AP in comparison to other heavy legs. Personally I prefer Aoi 1, but I too have a Tolima build, If I need a heavy with more mobility.
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Posted 03 January 2014 - 06:30 PM

Ver. 3
Au-B-A04 (Calendula) [3/0/0] / AM/SRA-133 (Cycad) [1/1/1]
Su-J-R44A (AS Missiles)
Au-N-C85 (Plasma gun) [1/0/0] / Au-C-H22 [3/0/0]
(on L2HA-118 legs)
-The most recent setup I've started using and a variation of Ver.2 I've changed the legs to the L2HA-118 (ULG-05/A) for the weight cap and added a Plasma gun and added the Calendula rifle (Au-B-A04). The Plasma gun was added to give me greater ability against heavier units with high AP like fortress quads and tanks, and as a added bonus, I can use it as a CIWS in emergency situations where I have to fight Missile weapon arm users. It's not quite as able as a PMG, but it works, and I can shield fellow ACs as well with its large area. I switched back to a rifle to give me some quick damage output be it ineffective or effective. AS missiles were retained to punish low CE LWs and LRJs and I used the Cycad over the Zlatko due to ammo. I lose out in having a stagger weapon, but with how bonkers it is in VD, it's not a massive loss.

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Just out of curiosity: Is this correct, or just a typing error? I assume the latter, cause I don't see a real reason on putting only 1 Tuning point on a weapon. Propably 1 Power and 2 acciracy tuning to improve Muzzle Velo of the Plasma Gun. Have to admit I copied the basic frame, for testing on my one. It looks interesting. I changed the AS Missiles to a Sub Computer though to improve Targeting speed of the Sniper and Rifle. Did also change the Generator to a Suzu, primarily to increase EN Regen and Speed. Maybe I switch them out to Dafeng/Ho Vital for really nice speed increase. I also suggest in changing your FCS for this one. Otkryt doesn't help you much, since you use AS Missiles. The 280 or 350 Range Long Range one seem nice (I use the latter, cause I use a 3/0/0 Tuning for the Sniper for increased Range and Damage).
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#18 FromCheng

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Posted 03 January 2014 - 10:00 PM

Forgive me but why are the Tolima Legs your favorite choice in legs?

Truth be told, I'm not even sure of the original reason anymore. Maybe I became fascinated with them because of the beatdown Stable (ranked #2 on JP at the time) handed me with his Tolima. Maybe it's because I got bored of midweights and full on heavies and wanted to try something different. At this point, I don't remember, all I know is that I like using them and that is enough reason for me to continue using them.

Au-N-C85 (Plasma gun) [1/0/0] / Au-C-H22 [3/0/0]


That was indeed a typo. The correct tune is [1/0/2]. I've also used [2/0/0] and [1/1/1] to sacrifice a little bit muzzle for more power.

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 12:20 PM

Yeah (1/1/1) is a viable choice for Plasma Guns. Power and Muzzle Increase with reduced Energy Consumption? Why not?

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Posted 04 January 2014 - 01:22 PM

Yeah (1/1/1) is a viable choice for Plasma Guns. Power and Muzzle Increase with reduced Energy Consumption? Why not?


I'll have to try that one. I just run it full Accuracy Spec and it nukes quads just fine for my taste.

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